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Trajan Unknown
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Posted - 2015.06.02 16:58:41 -
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Thank you CCP for finally adding wing forms! The new icons not just make sense they are absolutely what I expected after the preview so to say.
The ship icons/wing forms are a pleasure to my eyes and after trying crowded areas I no longer need to fly without brackets in space when there are more than 10ships on grid. It safes me a lot of time to realise what-¦s on grid and what is not. For proper identification I have my tabs but to realise the grid situation they are simply perfect and for the ships it was more like a relief than something I have to get used to. The other icons are well, they make sense so I like them. Still feels a bit strange but that-¦s the case with every change.
Keep these small changes coming, the faster I can realise stuff the better it will be. The old icons were simply a pain in the butt and made no sense whatsoever. And for people like me who are used to wing forms and "logical" icons it was simply a no go to use them for anything meaningful.
edit: I totally forgot the new lightning stuff and models. Big hugs for the art team, the V5++ or how it-¦s called is awesome and the new ships are eye candies! I will blame the art team for some of my upcoming losses tho because of the diversion. Ship spinning is nice but out in space they look so much better and out there it-¦s cold and hostile. :P |
Trajan Unknown
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Posted - 2015.06.02 17:16:08 -
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What is wrong with the new icons?
They are logical, following wing forms and therefore be pretty much spot on.
And after all there are not too many different icons. |
Trajan Unknown
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Posted - 2015.06.02 19:30:32 -
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Where were the vocal masses when CCP released their dev blog with the icon changes?
I said it three times and I will say it again, the new icons make way more sense than all the old ones.
Space Invaders got it right 20years ago, the military is using it and EvE should use it too it was about time to get some meaningful icons. Next on my list would be better tab structure so I have all the needed "data" available within a blink of an eye. It-¦s not horrible by any means but it could be better.
The thing with the scaling seems to be only real problem here but on 100% they are pretty good. Some slight changes here and there would be nice too but the general route is good. The old icons made no sense and were a pure mess with many ships on grid let alone all the drones.
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Trajan Unknown
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Posted - 2015.06.02 19:52:42 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Joia Crenca wrote:If there is a culture issue at CCP, perhaps that needs to be addressed? There may be a thought that: 'If the work is finished enough to put on SiSi, then it CAN'T be rolled back, or someone will lose their job for allowing it to go this far'. But that would defeat one main purpose of SiSi, wouldn't it, in having an internal culture issue cancel out player feedback?
This is the second iteration of the icons, the first was put on sisi pushed on us and tested then rolled back due to player feed back and redone.You can take your foot out of your mouth now. But the issues raised by the players were equally applicable in the second iteration, the problem was NOT that the players did not like the aesthetics, the problem was one of clarity and legibility, and the problems are still present. Only at 90%, they are perfectly legible otherwise. The issue is they're new and you are constantly registering and interpreting them, give it a week and you won't even see them anymore. No, you are quite wrong. They are much worse at 90% but the problem is NOT limited to that. We have worked with them for quite a while on sisi, and it is not a matter of familiarity. the issue is one of bad legibiliy. I and others no doubt envy your eyesight, and I assure you the stabbing pain behind my eyes after playing for an hour tonight is something I AM NOT WILLING TO GET USED TO.
So maybe there is no problem with the icons but your eyes, screen, resolution or whatever?
I am playing EvE on maxed out settings, with transparent windows, at 100% and it looks good. The icons inside my tabs could get a bit more love like sharper edges and stuff like that but in space they are fine and pretty damn useful.
But to the defense of all these "nay sayers" I am used to such icons for a long time so that is one reason why I like and prefer them. But besides that, everything that makes sense is something I prefer. Making sense in the meaning of being logical and in this case not exhausting for my eyes or in the constantly overloading me with useless informations.
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Trajan Unknown
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Posted - 2015.06.02 20:06:31 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:If EVE online wishes to state prior to purchase that this game is only suitable for people under the age of thirty, then of course they are entitled to limit their playerbase. And of course refund all who can no longer play it.
If however they wish to have players, over thirty who all at some point have a stiffening of the eye muscles, and hardening of the iris/eyeball making their new icons an excercise in eye strain, then they should take account of the opthalmic advice they commissioned.
They did take advice before completely changing the visual aspects of the game? Didn't they?
Laptops? Ah! Didn't think of that!
Oops.
I am over 30 and I don-¦t have any problems at all. Your reaction to these icons is something I would worry about at the very least.
Not pointed towards you but when people play EvE on potato machines with bad screens I don-¦t wonder that there are issues with the icons. Get some proper hardware to not wreck your eyes and game pleasure.
Just as a reference, I am "starring" at a screen for over 10hours a day for more than 17years now and my eye sight is above average. I am using an expensive screen and good lightning so a good screen with good lightning should do the trick if you-¦re not starring at the screen for more than 3hours a day. Oh and relax your eyes every now and than to not cripple them. |
Trajan Unknown
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Posted - 2015.06.02 20:20:49 -
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Dominous Nolen wrote:Trajan Unknown wrote:
I am over 30 and I don-¦t have any problems at all. Your reaction to these icons is something I would worry about at the very least.
Not pointed towards you but when people play EvE on potato machines with bad screens I don-¦t wonder that there are issues with the icons. Get some proper hardware to not wreck your eyes and game pleasure.
Just as a reference, I am "starring" at a screen for over 10hours a day for more than 17years now and my eye sight is above average. I am using an expensive screen and good lightning so a good screen with good lightning should do the trick if you-¦re not starring at the screen for more than 3hours a day. Oh and relax your eyes every now and than to not cripple them.
Not everyone can afford top of the line hardware or high end displays. While I myself have a 3x27" set up that can run the game with all options on decent settings, I know there are alot of my alliance & corp mates that aren't as fortunate and run on smaller displays or laptops. The devs need to look at all use cases when designing major changes like this as it will impact everyone differently. The scaling issue is a problem and also take in to account the clarity of the new icons on a smaller form factor and you may run into issues with strain... just a fact of life that not everyone is running at the same level and this needs to be accounted for IMO.
Well, you have to be able to afford a good screen else simply scrap playing games for your own good. That aside 23" should be more than enough to play on. I am running a 23" as a second screen and it-¦s fine with EvE. If you-¦re playing on a notebook regularly than there is the major problem. My wife is using her-¦s to play all kind of RPGs and whatnot but we bought it with that in mind. A casual notebook is simply not suited to play games on even if the hardware supports it somewhat.
But as I mentioned earlier, the icons could be a bit sharper over all but that-¦s it. |
Trajan Unknown
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Posted - 2015.06.02 22:25:28 -
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moep wrote:The new overview icons? Well test your brain in a simulated pvp situation: You jump through gate, hostiles camping, quick decision needs to be taken, your heart is beating like a jungle drum, engage or not?
Let's get this one started with old icons:
Overview loads, 3...2....1.... Let's go! Old icons=> Quick decision to engage, lights on green!
Ok, same situation, new icons:
Overview loads, 3...2....1.... Let's go! New overview=> You get it?  Military experts are calling this a cynosural.... ah wait.....information overflow! moep moep
It might too late for me and I completely miss understood your point but for me the new Icons are exactly what I needed. The old ones weren-¦t exactly information overflow but to put it in military terms. A recruit on comms during an hostile assault. Better have a neckbeard next to him to slap the panic out of his head so he-¦s giving proper intel over comms instead of babbling nonsense. Old icons were nonsense, non useable for proper information and simply a hindrance. Sure, you got used to it but that doesn-¦t mean they were useful.
If you call that information overflow have a seat into a fighter simulator and talk about information overflow again. EvE has by no means an information overflow. There is bad information flow so we could agree there is some kind of overflow but that-¦s not the icon stuff.
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